Joint UN and Arab League envoy to Syria Kofi Annan has warned against foreign military intervention in the country, saying that the Syrian people should determine their own future.
After a closed-door briefing at the UN Security Council, Annan also warned against foreign military intervention in Syria, saying it would only bring about further bloodshed.
He suggested that an international contact group on Syria should be established.
The envoy added that the group should consist of regional and international countries, including Iran, which can play a role in ending the violence in Damascus.
Press TV talks with Dr. Webster Griffin Tarpley, author and historian from Washington, regarding the issue.
Below is an approximate transcript of the interview.
There has been quite a lot of activity in the UN about Syria today. How do you assess the UN's role in the Syrian issue as well as that of the Arab League?
I would say that this is a very negative and ominous role. The performance we have just seen featured in particular two of the greatest liars and imperialist tools of the age: Ban ki-Moon and Kofi Annan.
I think it is high time for the world community to look into the procedures for impeaching, for ousting the Secretary General of the United Nations. This is no longer an international civil servant; this is now the partisan of an aggressor coalition, in particular also, I think they both won the ribbon trap award for combining hypocrisy with aggressive intent.
They talk about unity in the Security Council. There is no unity in the Security Council. What planet are they living on? We have just had Russian foreign minister Lavrov in Astana in Kazakhstan saying that he would guarantee that there will be no Security Council resolution calling for intervention into Syria.
We have just had not just Russia but China and four of the leading states of central Asia featuring Kazakhstan. All of them at the meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in Beijing absolutely ruling out any recourse to force or indeed further economic sanctions.
Now the pressure is obviously coming from the Western powers, the aggressors in this case. We have Hilary Clinton in Turkey demanding that President Assad of Syria leave the country, resign his post and leave the country.
A new level of international dicta and I would point out the coming of French foreign minister, Fabius, has not improved the situation. Fabius met in the last 24 hours with Sheikh Thani, the feudal reactionary monarch of Qatar, and they are both calling for chapter 7 measures which means possibly economic sanctions but everybody knows it means an armed attack; it means bombing and a military invasion.
He calls Assad an assassin. That is what Fabius has to say. Now we have some names for Fabius. The later president of France, Jacques Chirac, in a debate with Fabius back in the 1980s, called him a nasty little dog, an unpleasant little creature, maybe a nasty little attack dog. Perhaps President Chirac of France was right on that one when it came to Fabuis.
The US public is obviously in no mood for more war, according to a recent CNN poll, and even Clinton in the past has admitted that Syria is no Libya, as Mr. Annan as well said, i.e. it is stronger militarily. What does that mean then for the Western and Arab League plan for Syria?
You remember, in the case of Libya, they were all saying no bombing of Libya until about a little bit less than a week before the bombing started and then on one fateful Wednesday, as I recall, they decided that it was time for bombing and lo and behold, by Saturday the bombing had started in Libya.
They are attempting to hook up an international hysteria. Now several news agencies have reported today that the bodies that have been found at the latest alleged massacre, this time in the area of Houma, I believe, not Houla but the new one that they are talking about today. Some of these bodies are in an advanced state of decay and decomposition.
These are cadavers that have been brought in by grave robbers from cemeteries and elsewhere and they have been assembled in this place to create what amounts to a photo opportunity for the Syrian National Council.
It is important to see that this is the method of Hitler and the Nazis. This is exactly what Hitler and the Nazis did when they wanted to attack Poland in August and September of 1939. This was called ‘Operation Himmler’ or ‘Operation Canned Goods’, the assembling of corpses and then called on the press and claimed that there has been an attack.
It is also beginning to resemble the Spanish civil war, I think, of Guernica, the bombing of this little town in the Basque country by German Nazi and Italian fascist aviation that killed about a thousand people.
This time it is Guernica but undercover; it is a stealth Guernica that has been imposed and I think it is important for people in the world that are interested in truth to trumpet this from their house tops.
This is a series of war provocations. You are certainly right that the American people are sick of war; they are horrified by idea of new military conflict. But we also know that Obama’s adventurism knows no grounds, knows no bounds.
This is the president who spends every Tuesday with his death list figuring out who he wants to kill with his drones across the world. So we are in quite a bad situation worldwide but we can certainly welcome the positive role of Russia, China and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and certainly other countries, the ALBA Group in Latin America, for example, that would be against war but it is time for all of those forces to mobilize.
China and Russia are firmly opposed to any kind of military intervention. Do you see them changing their stance at all presently because you know Mr. Annan there spoke about this idea of a contact group being set up? Do you think that China and Russia will sign on to something like that maybe?
The possibilities of dialogue are always there but the important thing is that no blank cheque in the Security Council be given, no more Libyan resolutions that could then be twisted and turned into a fig leaf for aggressors in the way that the Libyan one obviously was from the very beginning.
The question for Russia and China is that the aggressive intent of the NATO bloc is now so obvious that you have to see that the process that is now hitting Syria, that hit Libya last year and now hitting Syria, a few steps down the road, that will be hitting countries like Russia and China.
We are dealing with a ruling class here in the British and American world in particular who have taken leave of their senses. They are mad as hatters and I do not think there is any barrier that will stop them except the idea frankly of military retaliation of countries that are willing to defend themselves.
So I would say this aggressive campaign has to stop somewhere. Let’s have it stop here in Syria because there is no civil war. This has not attained civil war and here I am citing a faction of the US ruling elite that is this big new Brzezinski group.
Brzezinski has warned in the last day or two against an emotional reaction. Of course what he is talking about is these fake hooked up massacres where people really die but they are not killed by the Syrian army.
Do not have an emotional reaction; do not get swept up into this hysteria and as he points out, the threshold of the civil war is not met; there is no front; there is no territory controlled by the rebels. It is rather a very heavy campaign of terrorism.